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Tannenwald Trakehner
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Yoo hoo
« on: May 16, 2002, 10:29:00 AM » |
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Just checking to make sure the system is still live.
Congrats to everyone who has babies already! We are waiting for our one foal this year, by Kaspareit out of our Itamignon, any time now. To everyone who has not entered the baby pool from our "new arrivals" page, there is still time!
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Re:Yoo hoo
« Reply #1 on: May 16, 2002, 04:29:01 PM » |
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Alive, yes. Kicking, apparently not, though I do check in often to see if anything's going on . . . . . Hope it goes well with your foal. A friend bought a pony mare for her son last year that OOOOPPPPS turned up pregnant. So at least you now your mare's due date. This pony will likely be before the month is out, but is in no hurry . . .  It's driving my freind nuts.
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Amanya
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Re:Yoo hoo
« Reply #2 on: May 16, 2002, 05:12:32 PM » |
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 It's show season, breeding season, and yes, foaling season. I, too, check in quickly, but I'm busy as we get close to Kasserine's due date -- 2 weeks away -- "watching paint dry". This is "our" first, so it's exciting, but geesh....11 months is a REALLY a time!!!
As Kasserine is a granddaughter of Kaspariet, we're happy that the DNA is continuing along for yet another generation. With Happy Hour the sire, our local "baby pool" is betting on the color as well as the sex. Between the Ramzes/Condus graying gene (Kasserine's Other Grandsires) and Induc, the foal's grandsire, the question is: "To grey or not to grey...."
But heck, I'll love it even if it's purple!
I'll keep checking, and when I have anything to say of any significance, I'll ring in.
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Re:Yoo hoo
« Reply #3 on: May 16, 2002, 10:21:57 PM » |
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Color is just the tie-breaker in our baby pool -- gender and date are the definitive factors for the winning entry!
Amanya, I think that the way that grey works is that you only need to worry about it coming down through Kasserine. Since Happy Hour is not grey, he will not contribute a grey gene (since grey is dominant, if he HAD a grey gene, he would be grey himself). Kasserine's dam was not grey (I think), so the grey can come only through her top line. In other words, since she is heterozygous for grey, she has a 50% chance of throwing grey.
So I think it all rests on whether she had a grey egg or a non-grey egg! I think that is how that works....
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« Reply #5 on: May 18, 2002, 01:10:40 PM » |
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Kari,
I want to see the Emeer baby! The mare we were considering for him is not cycling regularly this year, so we are holding off a season. I want to know if he continues the trend of big bay fillies!
Good luck to you and all who are on foalwatch, like me... 
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« Reply #6 on: May 18, 2002, 06:39:55 PM » |
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Congrats to all those whose foals have or will be arriving. And Amanya, we're "watching that paint dry," as well, as I'm sure Ms. Kasserine and Happy will do you very proud, as well as Jazz and Happy - (and Kari, again a very big congratulations on your wins with Kosmisch at his first competition!) The lovely Arabian mare of our other friend in California just had an absolutely lovely big, leggy and healthy chestnut filly. "Mimosa" (a/k/a "Mimi") has very good substance and bone, but yet is very femininine - lovely head and expression. Her owner is absolutely ecstatic and we hope you are the same! We have another filly in Wisconsin who is black, but her dam is grey, so it's a bit hard to say if she will turn grey. Either way, she too is lovely. Very best wishes to Amanya, Kari and everyone for very safe and happy foalings. ;)
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Warm Regards,
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« Reply #7 on: May 19, 2002, 04:48:27 PM » |
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Thanks for the good wishes, everyone.
AND thanks for the "color" lesson. So whatever color foal Kasserine has, it has a 50% chance of greying.
Now a color question: where does chestnut fit into the mix of genetics?? (It'll give me something else to ponder as I hurry up and wait...)
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Re:Yoo hoo
« Reply #8 on: May 19, 2002, 07:04:55 PM » |
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Hey Amanya,
This is long and rambling.
Chestnut is a recessive trait and when it is present, it masks any other color (except grey). Actually, I guess basically there is a gene for black hair, a gene for non-black hair, a gene that restricts black hair to the "points", a grey/non-grey gene, a chestnut/non-chestnut gene. There are more, but that is all I ever worry about since those are all that seem to affect my herd! And I don't remember all that well, but this is my understanding.
A horse with the black hair gene may be black or may be bay, depending on whether the black hair is restricted to the points. A black--or bay horse--may have one (or none) chestnut gene and still be black or bay.
Chestnut is often represented as "ee" in genetics discussions, with "e" being the recessive chestnut gene and "E" being non chestnut. A chestnut horse is "ee"; a horse that is "Ee" or "EE" may be any other color.
When an "ee" is bred, that horse definitely contributes one "e" to the foal. If the "ee" is bred to a "EE". the resulting foal will not be chestnut but will carry a "e" and thus have the capacity to throw chestnut, depending on what it is bred to. If the "ee" is bred to a "Ee", there is a 50% chance of the foal being chestnut (50% the "Ee" parent will contribute an "e") and 50% chance of a non-chestnut foal being able to throw chestnut.
So, when you breed a chestnut to a chestnut, you get a chestnut. If you breed a bay to a bay, and both carry one "e", you have a 25% chance of a chestnut baby since in 25% of the cases, both parents would contribute an "e."
The way we have seen this in our herd is:
Tara is a black bay (Avignon-Ricardo-Prince Conde'). She apparently does not have a "e" gene as there are no chestnuts in her recent ancestry and close relatives of her have not thrown chestnuts.
Bred to Graditz, a bay, she produced Tariana, a bay. Whether Tariana had a "e" was unknown until she was bred to Kaspareit (chestnut="ee"), and produced chestnut foals. Therefore, we can see that Tariana has a "e" from Graditz and may produce chestnut when bred to an "eE" (any color) or an "ee".
But a grey gene will cover any other color and hide a chestnut.
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Re:Yoo hoo
« Reply #9 on: May 19, 2002, 11:33:15 PM » |
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So.... Is it possible for my new Heling filly to be dark bay or black? Heling is chestnut and Kalliste is a bay. Kalliste is by Amadeus (dark bay) out of Kadenz (light bay). Here are the next generation of colors, starting at the top: liver chestnut (Kassiber), dark bay (Asiette), black (Schwalbenfreund) and light bay (Komposition). The new filly, Kahlua, is a dark chocolate color with what looks like black mane and tail. I've had several breeders in the area tell me that their black babies were this color. Any ideas? Don't you just love all this guessing!! It doesn't necessarily stop after they are born!! Good luck to all!
Oh, yeah. This year I also had a chestnut out of a dark bay mare and Kaspareit.... who I didn't think had a chestnut gene in there (based on all of her previous offspring)! That was a big surprise and I couldn't believe it when I saw red feet coming out!
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Re:Yoo hoo
« Reply #10 on: May 23, 2002, 09:34:41 PM » |
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I just wish my foal wait was over, Linnea still has a month to go and I am a nervous wreck. She is in foal to Kasp and she is a red bay, I will be happy with any color but a chestnut like dad would be fun. Her mom is a black bay and she is by Graditz a red bay by a chestnut. I will have to look for the rest of the colors those are all I know off hand. Good luck on your foal Ingrid, I bet it will be beautiful.
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Re:Yoo hoo
« Reply #11 on: May 28, 2002, 02:05:11 PM » |
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Hi Glory - It's amazing how difficult it is to just wait! I think the last month is the hardest -- we have a week to go, or two, depending on which "calendar" one uses.
Kaspariet seems to have had many chestnut foals similar to him. But his dna didn't stand a chance against the grey-gene from Ramzes/Condus with us. But wondering about color genetics is a fun thing to ponder. You might get that chestnut, you never know, based on the color lesson Ingrid gave us in this string.
Keep us posted. 
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