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My 13 year old maiden mare was bleeding a bit out of her vulva this morning. The vet ultrasounded her this afternoon and found that her CUPT was 2.07mm and said that she is developing Placentitis. She is due on July 28th. She is on Tucoprim and we are discussing Regumate; she is at the vet clinic now and will stay there until she foals. Any experience with this? Advice?
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Karen P.
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DK, if you look under the health issues topic you will see a couple of posts by me about this very issue. Then you can look at my last post with a picture of my filly under Announcements. My mare was diagnosed with placentitis (or perhaps twins) due to premature udder development. She was cultured and we did shots for 3 bruising weeks, then waited. She was put on Regumate as well and actually went to 350 days before foaling a beautiful filly. My vet had samples of her placenta biopsied with no findings. So I guess that means we caught it in time and killed it! Her placenta looked good, filly was very healthy. So all in all a happy ending to a very nerve wracking spring! Best wishes to you and keep us posted.
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DK, any updates on your mare??
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She is living at the foaling center still. She is due in 7 days, and I noticed today that she is starting to bag up and the foal is dropping back. The bad news is that she started having bloody discharge from her vulva again today. The vet has advised against ultrasounding again to see how extensive the placentitis is. He feels that doing anything invasive at this point may start labor. We are going on worst case scenerio. He feels very confident that it will be a red bag delivery, so he, the foaling facility owner, and two assistants will be there to assist. They've basically told me that if she foals without someone there to help her the foal is going to suffocate. So, now I can barely sleep because they only do barn checks at 10pm, so if she foals between 10pm and 6am I'm screwed. I hate to say it, but at this point I don't care about the foal. I'm so, so much more concerned for my mare. I'm just sick about the whole thing. *gulp* As of 2 weeks ago the foal was still alive, so I've definitely got my fingers crossed. Thanks for asking.
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DK-I'll keep my fingers crossed for you--the only experience I've had with a red bag baby is that I eventually lost the baby--we think she had some brain damage--but the mare is just fine and delivered me another beautiful filly this year.
I'll a little puzzled by your "being screwed if she foals between 10 p.m. and 6 a.m. That is when mares foal, and I've never heard of an equine center that didn't have some kind of 24 hour coverage. If you are worried about your mare, you should demand it, I think.
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Eileen
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DK -- I agree with Sherry. If they won't do foal watches or monitoring, what is the use of having them? I thought they were giving her 24 hour care. If they won't do it, I'd be there myself or having someone there or even consider moving her. I realize you'd be risking sending her into labor, but this way it seems you're risking both of them with no one there. A really good mare, her first foal, nobody there at the most likely time -- and a "red bag" delivery. Not a good mix. At this point, I may even consider being there myself even if they do agree to monitor overnights -- just to make sure I was the one making any decisions.
Just my opinion -- and I have been accused of being overly cautious on occasion.
Fingers crossed and good luck,
Eileen
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Eileen-there is no such thing as being overly cautious--these are valuable and loved animals--I'm with you! Unfortunately, financial decisions sometimes have to prevail, but other than that.......
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Daynia, I'm right there w/Sherry & Eileen - and then some since I know your mare! Phenix is too nice to risk.
I know she was leased for this foal, but these people's interest is the foal; she's your mare, DO NOT RISK HER. If you are not happy w/the supervision (and if the place is empty from 10p - 6a, you should be ) as she gets ready to foal, move her.
If you need assistance, call - I'm happy to loan you my trailer or even drive her myself to a vet of your choice.
Please keep me updated,
Kim
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Kim--very kewl of you!
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Ah Kim, you're the best! Both the owner of the facility and a vet tech live on the property. My understanding is that when she is a bit closer she will be moved to one of the 30' x 15' foaling stalls (which are close circuit monitored.) Currently she is in a 12' x 12' box stall with a covered paddock attached. The facility owner thinks that she is about a week away, which will land her right at her due date. I've been checking on her daily and will be practically living out there when she looks ready. My main problem is that the facility owner also breeds Appaloosa's and this week is the Appaloosa World Show in Oklahoma City. She has been going back and forth everyday and things are a bit disorganized as a result. The foal's owner and I have conferred and we both agree that Phenix is the priority. We've already told the vet, etc. that if a choice has to be made, it is the mare that we want saved. It's so hard to actually say that.  The foal has, at this point, almost been carrier fully to term, so I'm hoping and praying that the little guy/gal is a fighter. Interestingly, the repro vet wanted to know if I had vaccinated for West Nile during the pregnancy. It seems that he's seen a lot of Placentitis this year and thinks the vaccine may play a role. He's talking about maybe forging the boosters if I plan to rebreed. He's seen lots of abortions, stillborns, and foaling issues this year. Phenix had her booster at 45 days in foal and again on April 1st. It makes me wonder . . .
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wow--another interesting health issue--all of my mares (I think) had boosters during their pregnancy, and possibly the first shot as well--and I bred 11 mares, and for the first year in farm history, I had 11 healthy foals. So I'll check with my vet when he comes Monday morning--and mention the concern--it is at least something to think about.
In the meantime--we're all pulling for both Phenix and the baby.
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There's been a lot of talk about the issue of using the West Nile vaccine on other BBs and the possible relation of the vaccine to birth defects, abortions, etc. I don't know if anyone knows the facts yet. But, there is quite a bit of talk about giving vaccines for anything during the first trimester of pregnancy, and that this should be avoided. One commenter on this issue who I happen to know (she breeds Holsteiners mostly) and who is extemely knowledgable, has been giving all of her horses the vaccine three times a year because the mosquito population and the risk of West Nile is so high in Florida. She has had no problems. But, she doesn't give the vaccine during the first trimester.
There was, apparently, an article in a Colorado newspaper about an alledged corrolation. (Frankly, I take anything in a newspaper account with some scepticism since I've found many newspapaer writers get the facts wrong.) There was some talk on the BBs that a "veternary expert" sited in the article was perhaps a vet tech who worked in a small animal hospital that was not involved with horses. Then, of course, the vaccine maker has stated it doesn't believe there is any problem with the vaccine and that it did testing on pregnant mares. Then there was some talk that this year's vaccine may have been made with a different base (not sure what the technical word for this is). I don't know if there are enough cases out there to conclusively state that the vaccine is the problem.
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I did a little research on the west nile issue--as I indicated, I bred 11 mares last year, all had both shots while pregnant, and we had no problems--Apparently this report hit the internet totally unsubstantiated--if my experience was any indication, west nile vaccine is good for pregnancy.......
My vet just recently got a letter from Ft. Dodge mentioning this report--and indicating that they have had absolutely no documentable reports of the kind.....and my vet and his wife, who breed Holsteiners have neither heard nor personally experienced any problems.
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DK--
A word of caution about waiting until Phenix "looks ready", since she is from the Putza line, as is my mare, some of this line bag very little or not at all and give no warning whatsoever before foaling. My mare is one of them. There is no bag, nothing. She has "false labor" or "preparatory Labor" nearly every night for 2 -3 weeks, and then the second I don't check her every five minutes -- she manages to surprise me. I really have to work to catch her. When I'm spending the night every night on foal watch and checking her during the day, -- she foals during the early evening -- like about 6:30 or 7:00 when I go in to grab a bite to eat. She also foals 2 - 2 1/2 weeks early, according to her due date. Foals are always large and fully developed, labor is always very fast and delivery is relatively easy. I swear she lays down and within 5 minutes she foals. Phantyne's dam, Putzablume -- 1/2 sister to Phenix, was also this way according to her owner.
Don't want to add even more complications to an already complicated situation, but I thought you should know.
I hope all goes well.
It's so nice of you, Kim, to be so generous. The mares in this line are so nice and I'm glad you're there for DK and Phenix.
Eileen
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Nice of you to say Eileen, but w/a mare this nice, it's not hard to want to make sure she's well taken care of! Would love to see a photo of your girl from the same line!
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How is Phenix doing? How is DK doing? Anyone know?
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Eileen-
You've been taking words out of my mouth--I meant to post this same query--but got distracted......
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I'll give her a call tonight & report back! Sherry, you & Eileen are such good "mother hens"! 
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I'm pleased to report that Phenix is doing well. No foal yet (not necessarily a bad thing given the 100 degree temps here this weekend . . . hottest day of the summer so far!)
Phenix is doing a lot of resting in her stall, but Daynia is giving her many cool showers by hose, and the mare really seems to be enjoying. As is typical for maidens, she doesn't appear to be in any hurry to present Daynia w/this new baby!
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Thanks, Kim. Glad to hear Phenix is doing well as well as DK.
I was just reading on a website on equine reproduction that it is to be expected for mares with placentitus to carry foals longer because the separation causes slower development of the foal. This was a new website to me and had several interesting articles:
www.equine-reproduction.com
Maybe other would enjoy it as well.
Take care,
Eileen
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« Last Edit: July 19, 2003, 09:45:38 AM by Eileen »
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Well all, Phenix was officially due today. No baby yet though. I hope she holds out until a while longer, foaling on Tuesday or Wednesday would be ideal. We have a cold front coming through then and it'll "only" be around 90 degrees. She is laying down and resting in her stall about half of every hour. She is tryng to figure out a way to lay down and eat at the same time.
Eileen - I've been to that Equine Repro site you posted. The lady who ownes the site, Kathy Mann, regularily posts on another site I go to often. She is quite a font of info.
I'll keep you all updated. *fingers still crossed*
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Hang in there DK, my mare went 350 days this year with her placentitis and the previous year went a textbook 340!
No red bag delivery either which was a great relief to me. The filly was actually rather large as was fitting her "well done" status. Thinking good thoughts.
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Phenix foaled at 1:30am Saturday night. She had a pretty rough time of it, but we have a seemingly healthy, albeit tiny, colt. The delivery was red bag, but helpers were there and they got the little guy out quick. The delivery went long and Phenix needed tranqs and Banamine, but she seems okay. He's a chestnut with a star and a left hind anklet. Phenix is being very patient and was more interested in eating than anything else. The little one is folowing mama around and is pretty rambunctious. Phenix ignores him most of the time, but does look back to check on him during bites of food. She's fine with him nursing and playing with her. She is pretty much acting like this is her tenth foal; she's taking care of him, but not paying him too much attention.
Everything seems okay so far, but I am still holding my breath until he's made it past the 72 hour mark and is okay. Here is a pic of him at an hour old:
http://www.angelfire.com/sports/kammerlandtrakehners/Phenix_s_Colt.jpg
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Congratulations!!! He looks great..and not all that small! Look at those legs! It must have been scary for you - I'm glad you had the help you needed and were there to catch it, good job. How are they doing today? I'm sure mom will be more interested when she feels better, what an ordeal for her 
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