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Karen P.
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So do any of you consider yourselves hunter breeders? In my neck of the woods it is the best market and it is the discipline we are most familiar with. However, although many of our lovely Traks have "the hunter look" most don't have the hunter jump (cracking the back, very tight knees) My Advocate gelding has both but my Stiletto daughter has the killer movement but not the tidy jumping style.
So if you do breed for the hunters what bloodlines would you look for? Graditz, Abdullah? Who else?
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I don't consider that I breed for any specific market - I have a couple that are better suited for different disciplines and at this moment I only have one that I consider a "hunter" prosect - I seem to keep ending up with more "eventer" types LOL
My "hunter" is a coming 3 yo Oskar baby of all things. Out of my 3/4 T'bred mare that was my hunter/jumper competition mare. The jump comes from her and she toned down the normally "dressage" type movement of Oskar but he still uses his hind end well and reaches with his shoulder (full sister is Emma and she is NOT hunter in movement).
Impressionist actually has TONS of kids in the hunter ring and doing well actually. The oldest Imp kid that I have is Preston and he has the look, the movement, etc for the hunters, but is forward (not rushing) to the fences and I don't think that the hunter judges will like it in the hunter ring. But scope over fences he has in spades. 
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Hennessy, Platinum, Glenn Livit, some of the Galten Farms stallions, Asher, Hadrian.
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TwinGates
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So do any of you consider yourselves hunter breeders? In my neck of the woods it is the best market and it is the discipline we are most familiar with. However, although many of our lovely Traks have "the hunter look" most don't have the hunter jump (cracking the back, very tight knees) My Advocate gelding has both but my Stiletto daughter has the killer movement but not the tidy jumping style.
So if you do breed for the hunters what bloodlines would you look for? Graditz, Abdullah? Who else?
Advocate *Ps*, Asher, Glenn Livit, Hennessey, Platinum *Pb* and Sonset's Sieger. Tzigane will give you the jumping style/ability but offspring tend to have too much expression in front (not daisy-cutters) for Hunters. One other thought: while normally thought of for eventing, the Windfall's I've seen have superb, tidy form o/f.
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I think Hadrian is now retired from stud. Someone correct me if I'm wrong. Hunter sires are hard to find in the ATA right now. Does Titulus have any hunter kids? He seems to have decent form, have never seen him move, though. What about Zulu MV? He has shown as a hunter himself. If you don't need ATA approval, I think Prostor is still at stud in CA. He has the front end and some USEF championships in the A/O division a few years back in tough competition. I don't know anything about how his foals act or move or jump, however, which is the really important thing.
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sixpoundfarm
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Looks like the former stallion, Illux is doing well in the hunters as a gelding. 
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Another stallion to check out would be Donaufürst *Ps*E*. He is at Valhalla Farm in Florida and was the Canadian Hunter Champion for many years. Due to his age, (late 20's) they only have frozen semen available. I have a daughter of his (Amalia *M*) from one of his last crops and she is amazing. Very talented with a great mind.
You can find information about him at the ATA site:
http://americantrakehner.com/Stallions/Donaufurst.asp
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Lara, Gryphon Farm
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see below, this entry was posted incomplete.. sorry.
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« Last Edit: February 07, 2011, 09:14:59 PM by Lara, Gryphon Farm »
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Lara, Gryphon Farm
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Asher and Glenn Livit. Of course Sonset's Sieger is my fave for hunters and eventers next to Windfall and Tzigane, but that's simply personal preference, but is SS still available? I thought he was retired??? Asher is the most successful, himself in hunters here, and his offspring, but I met GL in person and he is a beautiful hunter horse, very tight in his angles and a true gent, with beautifully angled foals - necks, backs and hinds are made for hunters. He's not very big (maybe 16H), but gorgeous and very well mannered, and his stallion presence is a little lacking, but who cares when you are breeding for a nice hunter, not a stallion prospect. He's a nice guy, and his owner is very gracious. Best of luck.. I'd take a hard look at Asher and GL. GL's lines are very rare here and in Europe, and I believe he is way underused due to his hunter type. Take a look at his kids and meet him, it's worth the trip to SF. I also know of a very successful hunter gelding named Harrison, by Donaufurst. Personally have met him, and his temperament is wonderful, jump is great. He's a bit heavy boned, but his "try" is fantastic and he never quits, even in his late teens. Caroline Dein, you want to weigh in here on Harry?
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« Last Edit: February 07, 2011, 09:21:07 PM by Lara, Gryphon Farm »
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Karen P.
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I was just exchanging emails with Jean and she also mentioned Donnie, I would not have thought about him. I also have some Illux in my frozen tank and I am awaiting the right mare to use it on.
Great ideas everyone, of course if Traks are successful in the hunter ring their names will change sixteen times and no one will know their bloodlines (big sigh).
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Sean
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I've always been curious about the offspring of both Aberdeen(Oyster Pond) and Heinzelmann*Pg*(Storyteller).
Do either of them have offspring performing well, or did their success stop with them? I know they were both gelded for their new owners, but did they produce anything before that?
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I think Aberdeen sired Donaudeen, who looks like he might have a good hunter type jump from the few photos I have seen of him. I don't know if Donaudeen has any foals doing hunters.
Heinzelmann is the sire of Asher, I think. Nice horses, but I am not a fan of inbreeding to Nasrullah, personally, although that is very likely the source of their stylish jump.
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Sean
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Thanks for pointing them out for me! Can't believe I skipped over both of them... 
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It was actually Nearco, not Nasrullah; Nearco was the sire of Nasrullah. Very fancy, athletic horse, top-class racehorse, but on the hot side and had degenerative hock disease, which he tended to pass on to his foals, including Nasrullah. Also Nearco appears twice only in the pedigrees of Heinzelmann and Asher, not Donaudeen or Aberdeen.
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Karen P.
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Speaking of Illux I see he was champion of the 3'3 hunters at HITS Thermal. Darling daughter is going down to work the show so hopefully he will still be there so she can give me a first hand account. Still dreaming of the perfect mare for my doses of his frozen...
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I have a lovely Illux mare (3 1/2 years old now) here. I bred her and my repro vet purchased her at 3 days. She is going to be a wonderful hunter and she is absolutely stunning. Her name is Fancey Fair.
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Karen P.
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Stacey, do you have pictures of her? I would love to see!
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You should look at Malachi as I had two foals one is doing the childrens hunters and the other I ended up breeding. Both have the movement to win the hack class and the form over fences to do well in the O/F classes. Also the Malachi mare that I bred produced the same movement in her foal which is by a young stallion by Ichi-Ban so I will have to do some free jumping to see what her form is going to be like.
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Yes Malachi is a possibility, didn't know he was still at stud. And I see that Platinum vom Rappenhof has moved to the US, specifically Florida. A young one to watch is Cardinali, with the French TB in his dam's breeding he may have the form the hunter people look for, although he moves with a bit too much knee on the flat to win a hack class.
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Karen P.
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I also have an Ichi-Ban gelding who is started but the jury is still out on his jumping style - looking good so far though!
Of course Malachi is Advocate's son so I would expect the good jumping style and Platinum is on my list, although he was closer before his move to Florida. I have to say that looking for a mare with good hunter-type jumping lines has been difficult. I am still looking!
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This is my Hennessey daughter. She was in a jumper class as the trainer couldn't get to the show on hunter day. She won a first and reserve champion in Intermediate childrens/adult jumpers with a junior rider that had only ridden her once before:
https://www.facebook.com/album.php?id=59301502&aid=2020185#!/photo.php?fbid=528597933934&set=a.509889460864.2020185.59301502&theater
The fence height was a little easy for her I think. 
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Sorry about that. The show pictures are on the bottom with the kid in the blue shirt.
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