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Topic: BREEDING CLARIFICATION NEEDED... (Read 1270 times)
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Equine Connection
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We wish to make a clarification to stop the start of any misinformation that may be circulating.
At KD Trakehner's inspection last weekend, a few may have not received accurate information about the superb new colt foal, Herzlicht (a/k/a/ Heart Felt), sired by Happy Hour, out of the lovely German Trakehner and ATA OSB mare, Hoffnung, was a result of "inbreeding." This is not correct.
Herzlicht (a/k/a/ "HeartFelt") earned high marks and even more positive comments and praise at his voluntary colt foal inspection at KD Trakehners last weekend.
To avoid further misinformation, HeartFelt is the result of a carefully researched LINE BREEDING. HeartFelt's dam, Hoffnung is sired by Cornus and out of Hetty, an Induc daughter. Happy Hour's sire is Induc, so as an obvious result, Induc is the grandsire to this lovely new colt foal on both the mare and sire lines.
Hope this helps to clear up any misinformation. Thanks.
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Warm Regards,
Renee & Happy Hour
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heiterkeit
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I clarified that with the Inspector at the last ATA inspection in TN Yesterday. Where our sweet Mare Heiterkeit showed the combination of mareline (INDUC) and Grafenstolz (SIRE) was very good.
We are so proud and happy
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Cate
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Line breeding is a form of inbreeding and in theory is a way to "fix" particular traits.
Found this on the web - "line-breeding is inbreeding that worked and inbreeding is line-breeding that didn't work".
That is a pretty accurate description of the prevailing attitude.
Induc sits at 2 x 3 in the pedigree which is fairly close up, but its not like it is 1 x 2 (father to daughter) or 2 x 2 (half siblings in the normal sense of the word).
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Equine Connection
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This issue has been addressed and the needed clarification and correction made -- with due respect, it's time to let it go. We don't need explanation since we knew exactly what was being done.
This was a carefully researched line breeding, with the resulting colt foal being of very high quality, and earning excellent marks and outstanding comments at his recent voluntary foal inspection. While we don't have a crystal ball, he is off to an excellent start. As with any foal, linebreeding or otherwise, only time will tell, along with correct, consistent training and all the things that we do to help our babies develop and blossom.
While we don't need to justify or qualify anything -- this breeding was not embarked upon to "fix" any particular traits. Quite the contrary -- to blend the best to the best of lineage and traits, with great hopes that Mother Nature would be kind and a very high quality foal born -- and that is exactly what happened.
With that said, please respect our wishes and refrain from any further comments. Thank you.
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Renee & Happy Hour
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Boss Mare
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With all due respect to the OP, this topic was opened because you apparently thought some discussion of linebreeding, inbreeding, and this particular horse's bloodlines was necessary.
With respect that I would hope would be extended by you to others on the board, it doesn't seem that anyone has said anything to disparage this Happy Hour offspring, which I am sure is lovely.
My reading of the previous poster's comment, and the defined purpose of linebreeding which is to "fix characteristics," is not derogatory. The common definition refers to "fixing" as in solidifying or making permanent, as opposed to "fixing" meaning correcting.
Scientifically, "linebreeding" IS "inbreeding," by definition. Inbreeding is simply the crossing of related animals. In fact, all Trakehners (and all of just about any other true breed of horse or anything else) will have some degree (though perhaps minute) of inbreeding, simply because the breed started with (or was, at some point, reduced to) a very few foundation animals. In essence, all breeding is "inbreeding."
Whether certain individuals find a negative connotation in inbreeding--or the specific subset, linebreeding--or not, the facts are what they are.
That said, the horse in question looks to me to be a 3-4 cross to Induc. There have been very successful instances of linebreeding (and YES, INBREEDING) in the breed--for example, the crossing of Ibikus on Impuls daughters, a 4-2 cross on Impuls and a fantastic nick which produced very many excellent broodmares.
Point being, linebreeding can be good and have very successful results. By extension, because linebreeding IS a form of inbreeding, inbreeding can be good. All potential crosses of that nature, with relatives closer than 5 generations, should certainly be carefully considered and proceeded upon with caution, and that was surely done in this case. But let's get over the misunderstanding of what the terms mean.
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« Last Edit: September 01, 2010, 05:06:36 PM by Boss Mare »
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... Here's the link: