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Topic: Leonidas filly in TX (Read 1272 times)
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Elfe
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That price barely covers the stud fee !
I wish people would stop breeding horses that they can't afford to keep or are so poorly bred that they have to "give" them away.
It kills the market for serious breeders and gives people the impression that Trakehners are "cheap" and therefore worthless.
Let's just say I wanted to sell my Leonidas filly out of my model OSB mare. Potential customers would undoubtedly do an internet search and question my price, based the "cheap" Leonidas horses that are out there.
An appeal to stallion owners:
please don't breed your stallion just to any mare. Yes, you'll make more money right away, but in the end it cheapens the value of the offspring.
Off soapbox, rant over.
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aquafarms
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I would like to say that this is a nice filly and I don't think this is a case of indiscriminate breeding unless the breeding was purchased from the ATA auction, It said on the ad that she is duel registered and in my opinion much higher quality then that graigs list thing that caused all the ruckus, This filly is younger,typier,well bred and a much better investment. As for discount breedings I agree 100% with elfe thats why I rarely put my guys in the auction, remember the stallion owners that gives you a discount is also giving everyone a discount, Take a look at fuertanzer for example before he died his offsping were selling in the same price range as this filly and some for less. I only give multiple mare discounts and thats for three or more. Mare owners should remember that breeding to discounted stallions is a small savings on the front end but a huge loss on the back end. Also when you only choose from auction or discount stallion you may not be choosing the best match for your mare and we are all trying to improve our Trakehners. Good luck in all your breeding choice for 2010 there seem to be some well thought out choices and some that left me scatching my head but that what make this so intresting and fun.
Joe
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« Last Edit: February 28, 2010, 11:11:38 AM by aquafarms »
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acottongim
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The filly is registered (looked her up... LOVE that new function!!!), and the ad says that she is registered both ATA and as Half Arab.
I got the impression in the ad that the owner is trying for a quick sale - she states because she is in grad school. Who knows? The owner may have tried to sell her for more knowing that she couldn't keep the filly, but didn't sell in time and now HAS to sell her immed.
Elfe - I know where you are coming from and it IS frustrating. But in this particular instance I don't get the impression that she is selling so cheap because the filly is of inferior quality, or because the owner couldn't afford her at the time of the breeding etc.
That being said... we ALL make "mistakes" while breeding. Sometimes it is a poorly thought out choice of matings, sometimes it is just luck of the draw (even the best picked matings go wrong sometimes after all). The trick is that a mare owner should choose the best possible stallion for her mare - based on pedigree, conformation, movement, discipline, temperament, athleticism etc. If you pick the best stallion and happen to get him at a reduced rate via the SSAs then time to celebrate. Unfortunately I do get the impression that many people bid on stallions in auctions to get the "cheapest" price and/or the "hottest name". Or there are mare owners that go with a stallion because they get a "deal" in some other way... I am with Joe and Elfe on this part, the front end of breeding (the stud fee) should be the very last consideration on picking a stallion for a mare.
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aquafarms
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one more thing I would like to say is that if your stallion is young or even an older one that has not had the opportunity in the breeding shed then auctions are a good way to give him some exposure, and the auction benefits the association and I ask that you all try to donate in some way or another, By donating a breeding,volunteering or in a more private way.
Joe
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« Last Edit: February 28, 2010, 11:01:12 AM by aquafarms »
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aquafarms
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There is something that keeps pulling me back to this thread, I would like to bring attention to the fact that when Hanovarian,Oldenburg and Holsteiner breeders post about mares for sale it is almost always a very nice elite mare that is for sale or one going through an elite auction, My point is that we need to start recognizing the value of our horses if we expect the buyers to pay what they are worth, Lets start showing our best horses that are for sale regardless of price !!
Joe
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If I could afford to bring her over here I would buy her in a heartbeat.... she has my ideal breeding being half arabian and half Trakehner and by a proven stallion
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Elfe
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The fact that the filly is cute in some ways makes the situation worse, in that one can't blame the price on her quality.It's a matter of supply and demand, too many horses for sale, prices go down. The rational breeder, the one who does not have unlimited resources, will stop breeding if he/she can't at least cover some of the costs. I see the "horses for sale boards", horses being offered for sale for ridiculously low prices and yet their breeders keep breeding the mares and putting more siblings on the ground.
I don't expect to make a profit on the horses I breed, it is a labor of love and an addiction to some extent, but I am not going to continue doing it if I have to ultimately sell the horse at a price that barely covers the stud fee !
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Joy
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Went to the website but the ad isn't there any more. Has she been sold?
And I must add my 2 cents worth. To rant right off the bat because someone is selling a horse at a discount price is rather unfair. You don't know the situation. Situations change, people's whole LIVES change, sometimes overnight, without warning, and they're forced to make decisions they wouldn't have thought of just a short time before. I've been lucky enough to have been able to be able to keep my horses even when my circumstances have changed drastically, but there's a huge economic downturn out there and people are losing their jobs, their homes, and their way of life in ways they couldn't have imagined even a year ago.
I think we all want to rant at times, but sometimes it's better to take a deep breath and a long walk before hitting "send".
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although admittedly a souped up breeding tool part of the website is probably the way forward at this time, but it was fun to explore possibilities and 'meet' some people in the ATA office. 
- but the Trakehner ones are the ones Trakehner breeders focus on. I don't think it devalues warmbloods as a whole, if anything highlights that fact that bad things happen to good horses and as a whole, I believe Trakehner breeders step up to the plate more often because the breed is too small to let anything slip through the cracks.