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Maren
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Re: Please
« Reply #25 on: February 18, 2010, 11:57:06 AM » |
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I did point out Storyteller. And Joe, right on with that observation.
Ii just went through the trouble of looking at her breeding program and checking out some video of that "great form". Ouch. Double ouch. Now I'm almost sorry I went through all this trouble responding ... I did start typing this response several days ago and added in my free time though 
I totally appreciate Tom's article, and don't think he stirs the pot in any way. This is a person that got on a plane and made time for a breeders Tour and NMS to get a first hand impression. That's weighs a lot more in my book than the next sort of pointless post on internet forums. I know why I've stayed away ...
Stoicfish, I really appreciated your very kind "evolution" post. It is just amazing to me how some people really think they can use words like "genetics" and "evolution" and "science" when they have Wikipedia knowledge at best. I'm not lecturing people on building space shuttles either - I have no clue about that subject, so why do I need to make all these statements?? The internet is a wondrous place, truly
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Re: Please
« Reply #26 on: February 18, 2010, 04:37:22 PM » |
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I think Maren, you did a great job responding. Not only one person will see the response so it was important.
Now you have also gone and put into words what I thought, ouch. Enough said there.
I do think Tom stirs the pot, but sometimes the pot needs a good stir. I don't agree with everything he says but he does make some valid points. I personally have focused alot of my breeding on jumper lines. Horalas, Titulus, Taz and Abdullah through Sonset Seiger have all been included in my breeding program. So far I am very happy with the results!
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Re: Please
« Reply #28 on: February 19, 2010, 08:31:17 AM » |
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For those of you who needed this as I did
pejorative phrase - are words or grammatical forms which denote a negative affect.
agreed usually when you stir the pot the food tastes better but it still has to be done.
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Maren
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« Reply #31 on: February 19, 2010, 12:27:24 PM » |
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SF is not acceptable with Trakehner books, anywhere. YOu breed SF, you breed outside the books and will have to register elsewhere (SF will most likely not accept the trakehner either). Check with other books in NA if you want such a cross. SF's are not AAs, hence warmbloods, and that's treated as if you bred to a Hanoverian, Oldenburg etc.
The way to go is to check out the AA that the modern SFs carry and that makes them so good. THAT can be approved anytime.
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Re: Please
« Reply #32 on: February 19, 2010, 01:18:34 PM » |
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I brought up the SF because it is one possible group that, I thought, could be an addition to the gene pool that would be similar to the underlying paradigm of the Trak since SF are heavily influence by TB and Arab. Tom's article brought up issues with limited gene pool and jumping talent.
My suggestion was meant to be an "outside the box" statement as opposed to a "can I breed my mare to a SF and get it registered".
Of course, finding a Tb stallion like Gem Twist (or Attack of his Clone) would be a route that is within the rules now. But how many crosses with a Tb is allowed in a certain number of generations? So therefore how much influence could several eligible Tb stallions have?
Do they use many AA's? Or have many been approved?
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Maren
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Re: Please
« Reply #35 on: February 19, 2010, 04:23:07 PM » |
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There is no limitation on how much TB can be in a Trakehner. The germand have two of the legendary Butts mares in the books now, Butts Leonie and a daughter. These are 7/8 TB mares. We even have a few rare occasions of full TBs in the Trakehner book (registered and branded as such). We have several that are very little TK and very much other things, AA, TB, and they all carry a full brand and papers.
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and one just got approved at Muenster.