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Stallion approval question
« on: February 07, 2010, 09:22:09 AM »

If a stallion is approved with the German Verband, is he automatically approved for the ATA?

And if he is (and he obviously isn't activated) what is the process for using the stallion?

(The stallion is Coconut Grove, who is here in the US and is available fresh. He is XX if that makes any difference)

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Re: Stallion approval question
« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2010, 09:25:30 PM »

If a stallion is approved with the German Verband, is he automatically approved for the ATA?

And if he is (and he obviously isn't activated) what is the process for using the stallion?

(The stallion is Coconut Grove, who is here in the US and is available fresh. He is XX if that makes any difference)

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As far as I know, Verband-approved stallions are automatically approved by the ATA.  October Hill lists him as approved TRAK, but the Verband doesn't list him among their active stallions so not sure which TK registry Wendy's referring to.  I'm contacting her for clarification b/c this stallion is one I've long wanted to breed to.  Based on his own performance and the quality of his foals (some of which I've seen in person); he's exceptional.
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Re: Stallion approval question
« Reply #2 on: February 07, 2010, 09:59:41 PM »

  I'm contacting her for clarification b/c this stallion is one I've long wanted to breed to.  Based on his own performance and the quality of his foals (some of which I've seen in person); he's exceptional.

I've emailed her too Smiley My vet asked me who my fresh back up was going to be, which left me feeling a bit 'deer in the headlights' ish and feverishly researching stallions. Coconut Grove's performance record is pretty much as good as it gets, and as you know, only the best will do for my girl Wink
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Re: Stallion approval question
« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2010, 11:10:08 AM »

Any updated info?

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Re: Stallion approval question
« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2010, 11:21:16 AM »

Coco's owner is getting details from his former owner.

Claire at the ATA said that if he had been approved by a daughter organization, then the ATA would recognize that approval.

This means, although I haven't specifically asked about him, that theoretically that A Fine Romance xx is approved, as he is approved with  the Canadian Trakehner. Having said that, so is Feuertanzer and I don't think the ATA will/did accept him as approved?

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Re: Stallion approval question
« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2010, 12:03:08 PM »

Except Feuertanzer WAS approved conditionally and did not meet his performance requirements and therefor lost his approval.  I think they did try and get him hardshiped in by his offspring, but could not do so because of whatever reason (they being the owner and I'm not sure of the last because I was a newbie then and wasn't keepign up with all of it).

A Fine Romance - correct me if I am wrong... He was sent through the ATA approvals in Toronto in 2005? 2004? (forget which convention) and was not approved.  He is also not approved with the Verband to my knowledge.  So if a stallion is presented to an organization and NOT approved, but happens to be a T'bred could the offspring still receive full papers?  My gut says no but I could be wrong....
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Re: Stallion approval question
« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2010, 12:32:48 PM »

Coconut Grove, based on his performance record, is "approved" in Germany. He was never presented to the Verband, but as an interested breeder, you can file for a "special breeding permit", which is 255 Euros in total, and you will be allowed to breed to TBs, AAs, ShAs or ox that have not been presented but meet exceptional performance requirements. I have received permission this way for a Celle State Stus TB that was never approved by the Verband, and I just filed another request yesterday for Bonaparte AA, an international show jumper, to use on a Trakehner mare. The foal will be branded and registered full Trak.

Now, I am NOT sure if the ATA has such a program. More importantly, I would definitely double check that "approved trak" with CC. He was never presented, hence that sounds wrong.

The Canadian Trakehner Ass is NOT an official daughter of the Verband, hence A Fine ROmance xx is not approved. And Anissa is also right, he was presented in Toronto and did not get approved. He DOES have very convincing offspring on the ground though, so if anybody wants to go that route, check with the ATA on papers, and if all fails, register D book. If you're breeding a sport horse, it really doesn't matter.
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Re: Stallion approval question
« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2010, 01:20:36 PM »

The Canadian Trakehner isn't an official daughter then? Good to know.

I will ask Claire at the ATA about Coconut Grove/Special Breeding Permits.

CG's website says that he is approved Trakehner, hence the question.

I would rather stay in the registry, but you are right, breeding the best sporthorse you can may mean going outside. I have pictures of Contessa's colt by Riverman which would be a cross worth repeating.
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Re: Stallion approval question
« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2010, 01:35:53 PM »

The breeding permit option is not a program with the the ATA at this time but maybe in the future, Though you can still breed to a Thoroughbred,Arabian,Shagya or Anglo-Arabian and use there blood through daughers.

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