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I had a very enjoyable weekend -- attended a clinic and amongst the other participants was a boarding and lesson barn manager. She is also the instructor. Although we are friendly, she has never really approved of my Trakehners -- not specifically my Trakehners -- she says mine are very nice, but definitely the exception -- any Trakehners yada, yada, bad experience a hundred years ago, will never have another Trakehner yada, yada.
She went on and on about these new youngsters she had just bought. A yearling colt and a two year old filly -- big floaty trots, sweet personalities, pocket ponies, etc. I was polite --asked their bloodlines. "Oh, they're Hanoverian --Sire was Contucci."
I just bit my tongue, came home and made certain before I said anything.
The next day, she was again going on about her new babies while Wayne was riding Phire in the ring. Again she said she would never have another horse with Trakehner blood. I bit my tongue until it bled.
She kept going on and on about the crazy Trakehners, etc. I couldn't resist it any longer. I told her to get her rubber stalls ready and maybe a rubber room for herself while she was at it.
She looked at me under lowered eyebrows and asked me if I was going to move some of my horses over to her place (she always gives me a hard time about boarding some with her). I just smiled and told her that I didn't have to do that -- she already had two new part Trakehners in her barn. The look on her face was priceless. I could have knocked her over with a feather. "Who, how bad and how far back?"
I loved it --I'm sure I was grinning ear-to-ear -- "Caprimond, sire of Contucci, pure Trakehner, well-known sire -- excellent producer and his traits seem to flow down the lines -- dressage and jumping."
She didn't say a word.
Later on she was telling the clinician about her new babies and I was still feeling a little devilish so I commented that "Now she knows how really good they are." The clinician (who is herself the proud owner of a part Tk filly) knows me well and turned to ask the proud new Tk owner -- how far back. Patty replied -- "spitting distance".
Made my weekend!
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GREAT story. Isn't it fun when you see their faces when they realize their horse is 1/4 or more TK?! Made me laugh out loud; thanks for sharing! 
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What a wonderful story. Yes, blood will tell.
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That is funny. I bet everyone would have loved to seen stunned look. My old trainer admitted to me last summer that the gelding she bought in Holland, was part Trakehner, so, I think some people are liking to see that blood in there more and more. Even if they don't realize it until after they already own the horse! It's so funny when a buyer/non-breeder/non-pedigree watcher purchases or likes a particular horse, proudly announcing that it is Oldenburg or Hanoverian or whatever *not Trakehner* only to find out it is indeed Trakehner related. I don't blame them, until I looked into breeding I didn't know what xx or ox was, didn't know it was correct to say by for a sire and o/o for a mare....didn't realize certain breeds were more like registries, and didn't know there were different books etc etc...guess we all get our education somewhere! I'm sure she was like, "Really, what??".
Does anyone have Trakehner mares that are dual registered in other books?
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Ha! I love it when that happens! I also love telling people that Blu Hors Matine is 1/2 Trakehner. 
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Love it -- I tell people about Matinee as well -- but rarely get to tell people of the Hassler notoriety. Glad to hear you are educating him.
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Kari,
Christie did great at the next clinic -- maybe it's a good thing she wasn't at this clinic, I don't like our young riders having to hear such nonsense about our breed -- but I think Patty saw Christie ride the next week, not sure; if she did, it should have been good for Patty.
The Contucci babies/comments were earlier --the Loma clinic. But yes, Christie and Cassidy were very, very nice at Pam's clinic -- and Pam did comment that Cassidy is 1/2 tb, 1/2 Tk -- I wanted to say "No, he's full Tk -- but non-Tk people have a really tough time getting that one.
Loma does have a part Tk filly now -- out of a Martini mare. Can't remember the stallion's name, maybe the same stallion as Ann T.'s filly? Not certain of that though. Loma knows about the Tk blood -- as you well know. She was happy to have that blood in there.
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Kari,
Christie did great at the next clinic -- maybe it's a good thing she wasn't at this clinic -- but I think Patty saw Christie ride the next week, not sure. The Contucci babies were earlier --the Loma clinic. But yes, Christie and Cassidy were very, very nice at Pam's clinic -- and Pam did comment that Cassidy is 1/2 tb, 1/2 Tk -- I wanted to say "No, he's full Tk -- but non-Tk people have a really tough time getting that one.
Loma does have a part Tk filly now -- out of a Martini mare. Can't remember the stallion's name, maybe the same stallion as Ann Tursky's filly? Not certain of that though. Loma knows about the Tk blood just because I have drilled it into her and then of course, Kos. She was happy to have that blood in there.
Not sure the Trakehner people don't have a hard time with it also. My filly is listed in the ATA magazine (under her show results) as ArabTrakehner, even though she is 3/4 Trakehner and only 1/4 Arabian.
Not that it matters, though it does get under my skin a bit when everyone gets excited about the 25% of Trakehner that is in a horse or even 50%, though my 75% Trakehner filly still is tagged as Arab/Trakehner, even though she doesn't fit into any Arabian horse registry. Ah, well...guess I'll just have to get over it, *sigh*
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Kari,
The Contucci babies/comments were earlier --the Loma clinic. But yes, Christie and Cassidy were very, very nice at Pam's clinic -- and Pam did comment that Cassidy is 1/2 tb, 1/2 Tk -- I wanted to say "No, he's full Tk -- but non-Tk people have a really tough time getting that one.
Hmm. They don't seem to have a problem with Hannoverians or Dutch Warmbloods, etc., being full Hannoverian or Dutch, or Westphalian, etc., if they have a TB parent. I wonder why that is?
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Not sure the Trakehner people don't have a hard time with it also. My filly is listed in the ATA magazine (under her show results) as ArabTrakehner, even though she is 3/4 Trakehner and only 1/4 Arabian.
Not that it matters, though it does get under my skin a bit when everyone gets excited about the 25% of Trakehner that is in a horse or even 50%, though my 75% Trakehner filly still is tagged as Arab/Trakehner, even though she doesn't fit into any Arabian horse registry. Ah, well...guess I'll just have to get over it, *sigh*
Probably listed that way because she's not registerable as TK? Personally, I love the Arab or TB up close. My 2 y.o. filly is 1/4 Arabian and I swear it's what makes her sooo intelligent (not that TK's are dumb!). Her dam is 1/2 Polish Arabian and 1/4 Paint, her sire 100% Trakehner. You'll never see that 1/4 Paint in this filly, but the Arab blood is definitely there, with its refinement and that certain something that you get with blood up close.
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Not sure the Trakehner people don't have a hard time with it also. My filly is listed in the ATA magazine (under her show results) as ArabTrakehner, even though she is 3/4 Trakehner and only 1/4 Arabian.
Not that it matters, though it does get under my skin a bit when everyone gets excited about the 25% of Trakehner that is in a horse or even 50%, though my 75% Trakehner filly still is tagged as Arab/Trakehner, even though she doesn't fit into any Arabian horse registry. Ah, well...guess I'll just have to get over it, *sigh* Probably listed that way because she's not registerable as TK? Personally, I love the Arab or TB up close. My 2 y.o. filly is 1/4 Arabian and I swear it's what makes her sooo intelligent (not that TK's are dumb!). Her dam is 1/2 Polish Arabian and 1/4 Paint, her sire 100% Trakehner. You'll never see that 1/4 Paint in this filly, but the Arab blood is definitely there, with its refinement and that certain something that you get with blood up close.
Joy,
She is registered, and if her sire gets approved will be OSB, as is her dam.
And, Shadrach (Karino's Fire) is usually listed as 'Arab-Trakehner', even though he carries the full brand...
I know their heritage...and the heart they have. People can keep calling them ArabTrakehners if they want to.
Best to you,
Christina
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I may be wrong, but my understanding of differentiating between Arab/Tks (or Tb/Tks) and Tks is whether both parents are approved. If both are approved, the horse is Tk, if one parent is not approved, the horse is registered as Arab/Tk or Tb/Tk. A horse is considered full Tk and registered OSB (Official Stud Book) upon its own approval or eligible for OSB upon approval of both parents, but it should be moved to the ORB once both parents are approved-- but it will not be OSB (or preliminary book as the case may be) until it itself is approved. I used "it" here to avoid writing her/him so much. Obviously, a gelding can only be registered in the ORB (Official Registery Book) since it is not breedable -- at least not by acceptable means -- don't think they have approved cloning as yet.
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Eileen, you have set my mind at ease. I just bought a filly whose dam is 1/2 Arab, but she is registered with the ATA; the filly's sire is Oskar. So that means when she is 3 (and she passes her inspection) she is OSB eligible. Right?
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I still may be wrong, but as I understand it, it depends on where the dam is registered. If the dam was inspected and approved into the OSB, the filly will be OSB as well upon inspection and approval. If the dam was inspected and approved into the preliminary book, I think your filly is still eligible for the OSB. If the dam was not inspected and is registered in the appendix book for 1/2 Arab, I believe your filly will go into the preliminary book and her offspring would then go into the OSB upon approval.
It can be confusing and I have not experienced all the different registrations. I would certainly check with the rules on the website. The papers on your filly should tell you where the dam is registered. The breeder should be able to tell you in which book your filly will be placed upon approval.
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From what Eileen posted, it seems like a) Karino's Fire has an approved sire and an unapproved dam? If they are both approved, then he should be referred to as a Trakehner, not an Arab-Trakehner. OTOH, your filly is out of an approved dam, by an unapproved stallion (ORB), so she is considered Arab-Trakehner. Once he's approved, she'll be Trakehner, not Arab-Trakehner.
Does that sound right?
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From what Eileen posted, it seems like a) Karino's Fire has an approved sire and an unapproved dam? If they are both approved, then he should be referred to as a Trakehner, not an Arab-Trakehner. OTOH, your filly is out of an approved dam, by an unapproved stallion (ORB), so she is considered Arab-Trakehner. Once he's approved, she'll be Trakehner, not Arab-Trakehner.
Does that sound right?
Karino's Fire is by Carino *E* & o/o PSB Arabian mare, Kismet Ky~Anne ox, Karino's Fire is also branded with the Trakehner symbol...though he heals well and you can only see it in spring/fall when his hair coat changes...though that is another topic..{freeze brand}. Heck, I'd become a brander if we did freeze branding...sorry old topic!!!
All I know is that I love my babes! Especially the 3/4T's
FYI, Just because I don't want to offend anyone in Trakehnerdome, I proudly advertise on my site that he is
Arab/Trakehner * I never hide the
fact that he is Arabian & Trakehner...I like the mix...
just was commenting on the part of a post that stated:
" and Pam did comment that Cassidy is 1/2 tb, 1/2 Tk -- I wanted to say "No, he's full Tk -- but non-Tk people have a really tough time getting that one."
Because I have had the past experiences that some have wanted me to make sure everyone know's he not full Trakehner...maybe because he is 15.2+??? Or because he hasn't been inspected?? Or because he doesn't do traditional sports??? I dunno... so I just put it out there to make everyone happy... he's ArabTrakehner & Proud of it....sounds like a good T-shirt for me!!!  LOL
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« Last Edit: July 01, 2008, 02:28:35 AM by EclypseSporthorses »
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Karino's Fire is by Carino *E* & o/o PSB Arabian mare, Kismet Ky~Anne ox,
So he is a full Tk. I wouldn't let others misunderstanding keep me from saying he is a full Tk and then just show his pedigree and explain how it works. Educate and show "TK Pride" -- doesn't diminish your pride in Arabs -- if it weren't for them, we wouldn't have these wonderful animals, they and the tb are absolutely necessary to the breed.
I would, however, make certain that if and when you sell that you explain to prospective buyers where in the books the offspring are registered and why. That may be important to their goals. Doesn't make the horse any less or any less quality, just means they (prospective buyers) have different goals. Getting the right home is so important when you sell -- as you well know.
by the way, -- you need a different T shirt  He's Trakehner and proud of it -- just teasing a little.
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