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Topic: Stallion Presentations and invitations--once, twice? (Read 1722 times)
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Lara, Gryphon Farm
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Okay, how about this for a debate topic: how do you all feel about a stallion being "invited" to return for a second chance at approval by inspectors? Should this be allowed or not? Is it not already in the rules that they can? Does anybody remember the story with Savant? Wasn't he turned down earlier in life, only to come back and be approved at 10 years old in Nipomo last year? Nice save, as far as I can see!
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fuzzy
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Well, I'm gonna jump in and say I'm cool with 'retries' at approval. Some darn fine horses have been untried or turned down in the ATA only to bounce in with a retry (or in the ATA/NATA blend) and be shown to be top horses - like Suzette's Kreschendo. She could have given up and gelded the guy, but he's an Exceptional stallion now. Loon Creek's Malachi is another nice horse that might have been out in the cold.
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Tannenwald Trakehner
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Actually, I don't think that Kreshendo or Malachi were ever presented to the ATA, only to the NATA and I think only once. Correct me if I am wrong? I know I talked to Suzette about this several years ago.
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suzette b
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No, Kreshendo was NOT presented to the ATA approvals. He was presented only to the NATA, and then to the RPSI, receiving VERY high scores both times.
Since his book "overfilled" every year, I did not think it was really worth the effort for yet another approval. The plan was to eventually present him to the ATA at some later date.
Malachi WAS presented to the ATA (twice, actually, I believe).
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suzette b
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Well, if I am wrong, then I SINCERELY apologize. Absolutely.
However, I also think the word "flunked" is inappropriate. Just because a stallion may not fit the "needs" of a particular selection committee of a particular breeding group at that moment in time, should not reflect on the quality of the horse. There are MANY,MANY stallions of exceptional quality that have not been selected by one group or another, but are very good producers within other groups.
A stallion should not be forced to carry a bad stigma for the rest of his life because of the opinion of a few people on a certain date.
Malachi is a very nice stallion, with exceptional temperament, and good bloodlines. I mean him no injustice.
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Linda R
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Just an FYI- I just checked the ATA site and Malachi is listed as an approved stallion. Not sure when he was approved, but he IS listed there. Someone who knows Allen should probably check with him directly to get the full details. Their ads are featuring him along with Advocate so I just assumed that he also was approved, but the site confirms it.
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suzette b
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Yes, Linda, you are totally correct. He is now fully approved by the ATA, because he was subsequently approved by the NATA prior to the re-unification.
He is also now proving to be a very popular breeding stallion among the ATA membership.
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Tannenwald Trakehner
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Despite all of these smileys, it is hard to show one "tongue in cheek," and "flunked" perhaps is not a pretty word but I think it pretty well would sum up public perception of a horse that is presented, twice, and does not pass. "Flunked" is not necessarily indicative of quality, just of congruence with the standards being examined. After all, Ernest Hemingway's master's thesis was rejected!
Linda R., Malachi IS approved as he was approved by the NATA before the reunification of the NATA and ATA, so he is presently approved under the reunified ATA. To that extent, regardless of whether he had previously been presented to the ATA or not, he IS currently an ATA approved stallion by virtue of his NATA approval. Actually, he got to ATA approval the same way as Kreshendo and the other stallions approved by the former NATA.
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Linda R
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Thanks for the clarification. As someone new to the Trakehner world, I hadn't considered how the merging of the ATA & NATA would impact the stallions and registry books. This is an excellent example. Thanks for sharing the info!
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Karim
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The merging of ATA & NATA also did create some additional confusions. I have a Henessey mare out of an anglo-trakehner mare by the name of Make A Wish. She is also the dam of the NATA approved stallion Marquee by Shoenfeld. Now Make A Wish was never presented to the ATA for PSB, but NATA approved her son as a stallion, but I had to present her daughter to the ATA for PSB & not OSB! And could not convince the ATA office otherwise :-(
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