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Tannenwald Trakehner
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 Can someone explain how this works exactly? I have been going through the ATA regulations and find no reference to the Pilot Program for TB and Arab stallions. I would like to save Helen the bother of another email and am wondering if one of you ATA Board-related types might be able to answer a few questions.
I am considering breeding an ATA mare (actually, two--1 OSB and one ORB and not yet presented) to a TB stallion not yet submitted for ATA approval.
(1) In what book with the ATA is the resulting foal eligible for registration?
(2) Are registration options different if it is a filly or a colt?
(3) Is the resultant foal eligible for the OSB under any circumstances, filly or colt?
(4) Would a resultant filly be eligible for the PSB?
(5) Would a resultant colt be eligible for the pilot program?
(6) How long is the pilot program being conducted?
(7) Assuming it is helpful to present a mare for OSB approval with a foal at foot, would it be prejudicial if the foal was not by an ATA approved horse? 
I am trying to determine whether such a foal would have any breeding potential within the ATA, or whether it would be bred for the non-Trakehner market. Seems like there should be a way to bring in TB blood on the top this way, rather than only being able to use the few TB stallions approved here so far.
Thanks to any who know the answers.
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Karim
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For whatever's worth, I had my Shoenfeld filly presented this past summer. Her dam a TB was never entered into the pilot program, but the filly after inspection was approved & entered into the PS book.
I'd submit your questions to the ATA, attention Penny. She has always been VERY GOOD at getting back to me promptly.
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Tannenwald Trakehner
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Thanks for the input, Karim. That information applies to an Arab-Trakehner filly we have out of an unapproved Arab mare. But I have a sneaking suspicion that the registration options are different when the unapproved TB is on the bottom of the pedigree as when an unapproved stallion is used. Anyone else know more?
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Vicki A
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Here's how I understand it:
The TB x OSB cross foal would be registered in the OAB-B section. A filly would be eligible for PSB inspection. A colt could be inspected for OSB through the pilot program if the TB sire has sufficient performance.
For the TB x ORB-B - the resulting foal would not be eligible for any registration but a filly could eventually be registered if inspected for PSB through the Pilot Program when old enough. A colt could eventually be inspected for OSB through the Pilot Program if he himself were to gain sufficient performance.
If the ORB-B mare were to be PSB approved there is a chance her offspring could then be registered in the OAB-B but I'm not sure if this would involve a petition to the board or not.
I cannot remember how long the Pilot Program will be run, I seem to remember something about it be extended in a fairly recent newsletter?
If you are going to pursue this you should absolutely follow up with the Registrar for the definate answer.
In answer to question 7, I've attended a number of inspections and have never noted any prejudice to mares with offspring by non-ATA stallions.
Hope this helps a bit.
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Welcome back, Vicki 
Are we on the same page--you rattle those acronyms off like mad and I can't keep it straight! The ORB filly is eligible OSB, just has not been presented. I assume she will go OSB, and think that everything else would come together retroactively? Meaning foals born before OSB status would then get the same registration options as ones born after OSB status?
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Vicki A
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Oh I misread. So your ORB mare is a purebred in either the ORB-A or the ORB-E. In that case the foal would in fact be eligible for registration but I'm unclear if that would be in the OAB-B or the OAB-D. I'm thinking it's the OAB-D, but in either case a filly would be still be eligible for the same type of promotion to PSB through the Pilot Program. I'm not completely sure but I believe the only way a colt could be inspected for OSB is if he himself were to gain sufficient performance and his purebred dam had been OSB approved or through petition to the board.
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