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Do you double register your horses?
« on: April 22, 2005, 10:38:02 AM »

  Wondering if you register your horses with multiple registries?  Do you take advantage of this when
showing, selling and breeding your horses? 
 



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Re: Do you double register your horses?
« Reply #1 on: April 22, 2005, 10:45:13 AM »

We have horses that are double and triple registered, just wondered if you all do the same.  The above horse is registered, AHA, ATA.
He is by Carino *E* and out of a PSB Arabian mare, so he
is registered full Trakehner with ATA.   Also registered with
AHA as half-Arabian.   It is different blessings that come from each registery and association... 
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Re: Do you double register your horses?
« Reply #2 on: April 22, 2005, 11:37:16 AM »

I think it is against the FEI rules to have a horse registered in 2 registries.  There may be a corresponding rule with the USEQ, too.  I will try to check this.
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« Reply #3 on: April 22, 2005, 12:06:01 PM »

Hmmm.  I've never heard that.  I'm sure that there are a number of stllions out there competing at the FEI level who have approval (and thus papers) with more than one organization.  Perhaps you can only count points with one registry - in the case of Christina's stallion or my gelding (both have the same kind of papers in the same registries) you could declare officially either as a Trak, or as a 1/2 Arab, but not both. 

I absolutely belive in getting horse registered pretty much anywhere he's eligible, especially when selling stock.  You really never know what sport or circuit a horse may end up in, and so you're giving youself the broadest customer base with increased documentation of your horse.  My mare is PSB with the ATA and has her purebred Arab papers.  The gelding is registered as a purebred Trak and as a 1/2 Arab.  Both are lifetime registered with what used to be AHSA.  I personally like the idea of having a horse that is eligible for the Trak futurity, but could also go to the Arab Sport Horse Nationals - both of which will be targets with my next Arab/Trak baby.
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Re: Do you double register your horses?
« Reply #4 on: April 22, 2005, 02:27:55 PM »

I've made a few inquiries, but haven't heard back yet. 

Also, I know that for the stallions that are approved for various registries, you have to request a breeding certificate specific to the registry with which you plan to register the resulting foal.  I think the stallion owner can only issue one certificate for a successful breeding.  Since the breeding certificate is specific to a registry, I don't think it can be used to register a foal with another registry.  I do know that I have been asked the "which registry" question by stallion owners and it is also in the breeding contract.

Can a dual (or more) registered horse, for example, compete for year-end awards with the USAEQ, USDF, etc., for more than one breed association?  I think you have to specify which ONE association anymore.  I've got a question about this out there in cyberworld at this time, too.
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Re: Do you double register your horses?
« Reply #5 on: April 22, 2005, 02:34:13 PM »

USDF requires you pick one registry for your horse's breed declaration to compete for year end awards.  Here's a link to the rules:

http://www.usdf.org/menu/allbreednotice.asp
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Re: Do you double register your horses?
« Reply #6 on: April 22, 2005, 04:55:40 PM »

The World Breeding Federation has been trying for a few years to stop double registrations in associations that has memberships with them, which is basically almost every recognized Warmblood Breed organization.  This does not include AWS and AWA.  Numerous partbred Trakehners and some purebreds are registered with two or more associations.  USDF and other governing bodies are now requiring owners to choose which "breed" registery they wish to have their horse recognized under, in order to eliminate eligiblity for duel awards. 
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Re: Do you double register your horses?
« Reply #7 on: April 23, 2005, 11:46:22 AM »

American Warmblood Society (AWS) is a Full Member of World Breeding Federation for Sport Horses.   Check it out at www.wbfsh.org.  I believe that most horses are registerable with multiple organizations, and like fuzzy said, the horses should be, if you can afford it.  We try to get our horses registered with the organizations they are eligible with.  To me
it makes the horse more valuable when selling.  Fuzzy's gelding
would be just as attractive to AHA members now as he is to ATA members, should she sell him.  And she has unlimited showing available to her through AHA and her local AHA club, that which is not offered to her through ATA, as well as several awards programs and Legion of Honor awards. 
You may got to :
http://www.arabianhorses.org/default2.asp
and look under activities to find out what is available to horses
that are double registered.
BTW- it is very true that you must declare ONE breed with USDF and USEF.  It is only common sense, what a nightmare to track a horse's results with several organizations.
Trakehner stallions seem to seek approval with other associations and registries.   
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Re: Do you double register your horses?
« Reply #8 on: April 24, 2005, 09:15:38 PM »

Stallions can be registered/approved with multiple registries.  With regard to the USDF, only one registry can be officially "declared" for the purpose of the All-Breed Awards.  It is not unusual at all for stallions to be approved by multiple breed organizations, which can broaden their marketability.
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Re: Do you double register your horses?
« Reply #9 on: April 25, 2005, 05:01:24 PM »

Double registration isn't the same as approval.  The ISR has a policy that horses are NOT ALLOWED to be double registered.  I'm not sure how they enforce it, but that's the rule.
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Re: Do you double register your horses?
« Reply #10 on: September 19, 2005, 06:29:19 PM »

I have a 1/2 Trak, 1/2 Polish Arab stallion who I would have loved to register with ATA, but ended up registering AWS.  I am also waiting for his AHA papers to come through.  He is going to be breeding Polish mares next year, and I would like some advice on which organization of the three I should give priority to.

Note:  This is my first time owning a breeding stallion
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Re: Do you double register your horses?
« Reply #11 on: September 19, 2005, 11:20:10 PM »

My experience is registering horses is like voting in south Texas, do it early & often.
My mare is registered AHA/Half-Arab, but I waited to pursue registration with ATA (actually I didn't realize I needed to get her in the preliminary book to be eligible for inspection for the main book). All associations charge a good deal more if you wait a year or two.
Half-Arab sport horses are a big deal now, great breed shows, so your horse's value could go way up if you register with that association. BTW, beautiful horse.
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« Reply #12 on: September 20, 2005, 09:59:23 PM »

I thought voting "early and often" was a Chicago thing . . . . Tongue
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Re: Do you double register your horses?
« Reply #13 on: September 21, 2005, 09:55:26 AM »

Thanks, Steve, nice to know another person who has an AHA registered Trakehner.  I agree, the 1/2 Arabian market is a growing one, and it certainly has a great show circuit.
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Re: Do you double register your horses?
« Reply #14 on: March 30, 2006, 01:40:10 PM »

Interesting thread!

Stating for my clarity only  - "Registration is different than Breeding Approval".

I have a Trakehner stallion who is registered with the Cdn Trak Horse Society. He is also an approved stallion in their studbook. In addition, he was presented and approved for breeding in the Cdn Sport Horse Ass.

If he is bred to a TB (or Arab) mare that is also breeding approved with both the CTHS and CSHA, the resulting foal will be eligible for registration in both registries.

BUT, I know that both associations discourage double registration. And I understand that it still happens. I also understand that the EULN (or is it UELN Huh) is supposed to eliminate the duplicate numbers for identifying a horse.

From a breeder/seller point of view, I see the value of increasing your marketability by having multiple registration where eligible, but from a purely organizational point of view, it truly is a nightmare.  Undecided

The one thing I want as a breeder is to be able to track the offspring (no matter how many times they may change hands) as they progress through their performance career. Marketing is a reciprocal activity. I promote the stallion, which brings mare owners to breed, who produce foals that need to get out there and prove themselves as quality horses on behalf of the sire and dam, which should then bring more mare owners... The stallion is continually promoted to boost the recognition of the offspring that are produced also.

 Embarrassed Sorry got a little carried away there. Smiley
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