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« Reply #25 on: August 22, 2004, 10:41:05 PM »

What I dont understand is that there were mistakes in Men's Gymnastics and in Swimming and they chose not to change the medal status... but they did in the Eventing.

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« Reply #26 on: August 22, 2004, 10:55:13 PM »

It isn't a matter of choosing.  If the swimming incident is the last one I know of, where one judge claimed the American made an improper turn, review of the video of the event showed that to not be the case.  On the gymnastics, the period for filing an appeal had expired before the scoring error was noticed.  Shame on the scorekeepers, and double-shame on the coaches that missed the error for their team.  That probably all sounds like legal-shmeagle, but those are the rules.

In the case of the eventing, the German team appealed the ruling of the ground jury to the FEI, who ruled in its favor.  The appeal from that decision to the Court of Arbitration in Sport was timely filed, and the CAS overturned the decision of the FEI because the FEI did not have the authority to trump the ground jury (the FEI has only jurisdiction to decide issues of application of the regulations, not determination of fact).

It seems unfair, perhaps, but these things are run on an discrete procedural system.
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« Reply #27 on: August 22, 2004, 11:06:54 PM »

True- the line has to be draw somewhere.

As for the change in eventing- I thought the endurance was also a type of warm up?  And didnt understand why it was excluded.  
What was the distance of the xc course?  I thought I heard it announced & thought it didn't add up  to the time limit.  Probably a commentor miss spoke.

On the topic of the xc being less influential- I think this course looked "safer" than previous courses and yet still a challenge- it is a good idea Eventing to be challenging- not impossible, and the ease of the jumps falling in stadium and the more difficult dressage makes the best all around horse shine, as did Hoy's horse- too bad a simple error took this horse's award away- though I do understand the rules have to be enforced.  Still think it's too bad though-
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« Reply #28 on: August 22, 2004, 11:55:50 PM »

Actually, critics of the new system believe that it does NOT let the best all-around horse shine, at least not the best horse in terms of traditional eventing.  The new format, which does not include roads and tracks and steeplechase, has taken most of the teeth out of the cross country phase.  What is left is a tricky but shorter course of intensive jumping overland, which fits between a day of dressage and a day of jumping in the stadium.

There are a lot of theories on why the change--was it a compromise, a way to make the event take less space, less time, and less money to put on to keep it feasible for Olympic-type competition?

Was it changed in response to the animal rights lobby, who have been raising all sorts of hype about how eventing kills horses and puts them into horribly dangerous situations.  Nevermind that this event on the shortened format, which I think has only be used at the Olympics other than at the Rolex this spring, resulted in a possibly career-ending injury to one horse and the necessity to euthanise another.

Some even say it is part of a European conspiracy to push more warmbloods, since traditionally eventing favors a horse who is lighter in type, ie, the Thoroughbred, because they are better able to cope with the traditional cross country round.  The warmbloods, on the other hand, are arguably better suited to the dressage and stadium rounds. Thus the theory that by making the cross country shorter/easier, warmbloods would be more competitive.

My feeling is, if we want to have dressage then have it; if we want show-jumping, then have it.  In fact, these are separate sports.  In eventing the stadium round was really designed to prove the soundness and endurance of the horse after the rigors of the cross-country, instead of being such a huge part of the score (particularly in the individual event, where TWO stadium rounds were added into the score).

I think that if eventing can't be handled in the Olympic format than it probably shouldn't be; it is a shame to see the sport decimated for whatever the reasons.
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« Reply #29 on: August 24, 2004, 10:13:09 AM »

How did you guys like the light plastic planks of one of the verticals in the showjumping blowing down?  The rider just before Beezie Madden got a fence about the size that I jump!  I wish I could watch the secong round, but I'll be in the middle of a shoeing job.  Go Beezie!  She's got the fastest clean round so far!  I'm rescheduling some horse shoes tomorrow so I can watch the dressage.
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