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Lara, Gryphon Farm
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« on: August 14, 2004, 11:30:41 AM » |
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GOOD LUCK DARREN AND WINDFALL - WE'RE PULLING FOR YOU!!!
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« Reply #2 on: August 15, 2004, 11:51:04 AM » |
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Anyone know the order of go for the dressage? Whether W (& Larissa) are on Sunday or Monday?
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« Reply #3 on: August 15, 2004, 12:15:22 PM » |
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Don't know order of go, but so far, Darren's 4th w/a 44.6 (which, given point spreads is basically a 3-way tie for 2nd). Bettina Hoy & Ringwood Cockatoo is 1st w/a 32.0.
Here's a link:
www.athens2004.com/en/EquestrianMixed/results?rsc=EQX003401&frag-EQX003401_C73Cb
Kim Severson, William Fox-Pitt and Pippa Funnel have yet to go. Amy Tryon's 11th on Poggio II (50.6) and Julie Richards for USA's 28th on Jacob Two Two (65.4)
Go Darren & W and TEAM USA! 
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« Reply #6 on: August 17, 2004, 09:40:36 AM » |
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Thanks Ingrid! That is a good article. I love the "olive wreath" jump. Hopefully upcoming issues of the various mags will have more jump pix.
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« Reply #7 on: August 17, 2004, 10:05:51 AM » |
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WHooo- HOO!!!!
Windfall and Darren finished the CC even 2 seconds FAST, and have moved into 12th from 15th!
I still remember the announcer on the OLN coverage of the Pan Am Games remarking during W's cross country round that "He isn't the fastest horse..." PHBBBBTTT!! 
Another one of Itasophia the Windfilly 
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Oh, what a colossal bummer conclusion to a down-to-the-wire team event, the U.S. edged out of the medals by less than three points when all of the standings hinged on the last four rides...
Watching the coverage earlier our hearts stopped here when they announced that W had to be re-checked before the jumping round. I wonder what the problem was.
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Oh my gosh, the standings have changed. Germany's Hoy has been given a 12 (or 14, depending on where you read your news) point penalty, which makes it France-England-USA for the medals! What a wacky day!
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But NOW the results seem to have changed back again... Jeepers!
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What a rollercoaster this has been! The medals were awarded to Germany, France, and England, but now reportedly another appeal has been filed jointly by France, England, and the US. Word is that it is supposed to be heard tomorrow.
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And anyone else ready to boycott NBC for announcing Larissa as a "Canadian THOROUGHBRED" ? 
On the bright side for our neighbors to the north, Canada's team finished the Games and Larissa had the second highest score for Canada, just behind Ballista.
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« Reply #9 on: August 18, 2004, 05:59:33 PM » |
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When/where was the 3-day covered? I was all over USA/ NBC/ Bravo/ CNBC all last evening and this morning and not a word about any equestrian activities. I'm PO'd. What happended to being able to watch Bruce Davidson eat dirt prime-time every four summers? Yeah, I know, Bruce isn't riding, and no, I don't have a problem with him - I just don't recall his getting through an Olympiad without a cross-country fall. BTW, anyone know if he's back in the saddle? 
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« Reply #10 on: August 18, 2004, 06:24:47 PM » |
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Except for the first day of dressage which was on CNBC on Sunday, everything I have seen has been on Bravo, usually in the morning (starting at 7 or 8 ). The individual eventing SJ round is on at 7 tonight on Bravo, but I have been given the feeling that the performances there were somewhat jinxed by the controversy over the team medals (and scores, which carried over for each rider into that individual round).
You can get your local listings on nbcolympics.com.
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« Reply #11 on: August 18, 2004, 07:34:59 PM » |
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At the very least, we should all bombard NBC about their faux pas. TB indeed! Go Larissa! Trakehner extraordinaire!
Since I don't have a TV (I know, last holdout in the US probably), I appreciate the updates. Where is Windfall in the individual standings? I was feeling a little low about his performance until I realized that the Olympic games are an entirely new and different venue for riders (and other sports, as well). There really is value in having been before.
Interesting that all three countries are disputing the standings.
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« Reply #13 on: August 19, 2004, 03:28:57 PM » |
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Ingrid, I did catch the showjumping phase on Bravo last night. I couldn't believe how many horses didn't make it over the plank vertical or the wall. They both looked pretty simple, though they did say the lightling in that facility was funky.
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« Reply #14 on: August 19, 2004, 03:55:03 PM » |
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There were a lot of problems with it across the board, and it was particularly disastrous for the leading French rider, who had done SO well in the three other rounds.
Remember though, in addition to the lighting, all of these horses had just run the full team event INCLUDING the first show-jumping round. I believe there was actually only a two hour gap between the team SJ round and the individual SJ, so not a lot of time for TLC or recovery.
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« Reply #15 on: August 20, 2004, 05:33:01 PM » |
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There's a great article on Amy Tryon at www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5760593/ . . . . Shows there's some hope for us working slugs . . . 
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This email message just came from the Chronicle:
Please see http://www.chronofhorse.com later today for a full report on the CAS decision. FEDERATION EQUESTRE INTERNATIONALE FEI PRESS NEWS 21 AUGUST 2004 Today 21 August at 16:30, the FEI received the decision of the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) on the appeal of the National Olympic Committees of France, Great Britain and USA on the Eventing competition of the 2004 Olympic Games in Athens. The appeal was accepted by the CAS. Consequently, France earns the Team Gold Medal, Great Britain the Silver and USA the Bronze. Leslie Law (GBR) is the new Individual Olympic Champion; followed by Kimberly Severson (USA) and Pippa Funnel (GBR) (complete results will be available on www.athens2004.com as soon as corrected). The background of the decision made by the CAS is that the FEI Appeal Committee had no jurisdiction to deal with the appeal lodged by the German Federation, against the time penalties awarded to Bettina Hoy (GER) at the conclusion of the Eventing Team Jumping and Individual Qualifier. Bettina Hoy had crossed the starting line twice before commencing her round. The FEI Appeal Committee had concluded that, as the stadium clock had been restarted when she had crossed the starting line for the second time, the rider had no way to note that her round had already started. In order not to penalise the rider for a competition management problem, the FEI Appeal Committee had removed the 14 points penalties. While accepting the decision of the CAS and their interpretation of FEI General Regulations on the duties of the Ground Jury and the Appeal Committee, the FEI wishes to emphasise that the decision taken by the Appeal Committee was based on Fair Play and the best interest of the sport, as well as on a different interpretation of the rules. According to the IOC procedure, the medals will be returned by the respective National Olympic Committees to the IOC and the FEI will redistribute them in due time during a dedicated ceremony.
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« Reply #20 on: August 21, 2004, 11:24:22 PM » |
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It is sad for Hoy and sad for Germany, but the fact is that she made a very basic error despite her wonderful ride. And the rules at that level of competition have to be applied. In fact, my understanding is that this particular rule is applied strictly even at BN horse trials, let alone the Olympic Games.
We could think the same about a dressage rider who gives an absolutely stellar performance, but whose horse jumps out of the ring. If not for the mistake, they SHOULD win, but....
Too bad it took so much of a hullabaloo, and time, to get this straightened out, but I do think it is the right result in light of her error.
The dressage was very nice but I was surprised by Anky's score.
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« Reply #21 on: August 22, 2004, 11:06:24 AM » |
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I agree Anky's score was not reflective of the test, but as defending Olympic champion allowances (okay, BIG ones) are given. Also, her horse is absolutely brilliant and they may have rewarded the quality of the horse heavily. Saw this happen several years ago in World Cup dressage when Chacamo - a horse whose extended trot made the entire arena (European crowd) gasp aloud - scored much higher than his error-filled test warranted.
Re: eventing, the CAS decision was the right one, but all the controversy taints the final standings (MSNBC 'reporter' called it "Horse Gate" last night), which is a shame.
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« Reply #22 on: August 22, 2004, 12:20:53 PM » |
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I think that this is not the first time Anky has got a bit of a premium added to the score in recognition of her status. The fact that it "happens" doesn't make it right.
On the eventing, I don't think the medals should be "tainted," even after the call to the relatives in Germany this morning who were railing about how unfair it all was. Had the error been announced when it happened and the standings not already announced (and note they were announced only as "unofficial" before the error was penalized), Hoy's brilliant round would have been out of the running and her mistake seen with the sadness that it deserves. The medals would have been assigned as they are now and there would be no "taint," just sadness for the German team and what "would have been."
The REAL tragedy of her mistake has nothing to do with the other teams, the appeal, or the behavior of officials. I think the ultimate unfairness is that the stadium round applied to both the team and individual medals. The shortened format is, well, just plain stupid by design. I understand the reasons for shortening and modifying the XC phase, though I don't agree. I understand that the Olympic Committee will not give out two sets of medals (ie, team and individual) for the same performance, so there had to be an added performance beyond the team 3-day components to allow for individual medals to be awarded. But WHY IN THE WORLD is the individual medal event composed of a dressage phase, an XC phase, and TWO stadium rounds? That is like having a double coefficient on the stadium round in the scoring and is completely foreign to the nature of 3-day. And it skewed the results even more in favor of horses who could excel in stadium, since arguably the endurance portion of the XC had been planned right out of the event.
If the individual round was composed of the individual stadium round and the carried-over dressage and xc rounds, giving true scoring on 3 phases like a proper 3-day, Ms. Hoy's error in the team competition would not have propagated into her individual score. And she would still have her individual gold.
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« Reply #23 on: August 22, 2004, 05:10:47 PM » |
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Well I think with the change in format it really starts to favour those horses who are good at dressage and show jumping, the XC is becoming much less of a factor, horses like Spinning Rhombus (bless his SJ) will no longer be good enough for top level competition because they struggle with either dressage or SJ, and it didn't matter as much before because the XC carried the most weighting. Which means that it will become the domain of the light warmblood rather than the TB, mainly because warmbloods have the impressive paces to score well in the dressage.
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« Reply #24 on: August 22, 2004, 10:34:26 PM » |
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Please forgive my ignorance, but I DON'T understand why the format was modified. Can someone explain? If 3-day eventing must be changed into something else to satisfy--whatever--then maybe it should be taken out of the Olympics altogether. Otherwise, it's not a true test of eventing at all.
WRT the gold, I agree that Bettina Hoy made a very basic error, probably because it was, after all, the Olympics, and at that level nerves do get rattled. I'm curious who the judge was that reset the clock. That was so patently wrong that it set up the whole sad scenario. In view of the hullabaloo, perhaps they should've awarded two golds. It's been done at other games, so there is a precedent. I don't think the final decision was wrong, but there really shouldn't have been the controversy to begin with. I feel very sad for Bettina and the German team having had it presented, snatched away, presented again, and snatched away a second time. That, IMO, was unconscionable.
Yes, Anky has received scores before that reflected her previous rides rather than her current ride, and I saw that with other riders at the Atlanta Olympics. Judges are not unbiased. I sometimes think they should be not be judged by their own countrymen.
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